okay guys, but seriously. not ALL cops are bad you all need to understand this.
I know that everyone finds it funny that that poor innocent baby was married to someone far older than she was before she can even talk and is set to be child-groomed until she gets her period or, if she’s very lucky, when she reaches an age the rest of Westeros finds less shocking. And maybe it would even happy since Tywin has nothing personal against her family and they’re not really vital. But either way, when mentioning the disappearance and thus possible horrible death of a man (and a relation to the king!) is it really necessary to use his mocking nickname? Because I really don’t think it is.
And poor Tanda freaking out that her daughter, who already needs a closer eye kept on her than most thirty-somethings, has gone missing and literally nobody else cares. No one at all. They don’t even acknowledge they have heard her.
Joffrey is clearly panicking because he’s never been in that kind of danger before or felt that kind of helplessness and he (probably) wont’ REALLY try to kill everybody there. While Tyrion smacking him and yelling at him might have been really cathartic for him and he’s not technically wrong (and I can’t imagine anyone else present telling him these hard truths)…wow is that going to come back to bite him one of these days. It really is good that he gets pulled off of Joffrey before he breaks something, though. Cersei and Joffrey are only going to put up with so much no matter what Tyrion’s position is.
Regarding Tyrek, not even a man - he is significantly older than baby Ermesande and everything about all that is disturbing (on both ends, to an extent, though far more for her) but he’s only about Sansa’s age himself. So between 11-13, though I believe he was confirmed 13 somewhere, which makes it even worse that his vanishing is dismissed like that.
I don’t know if you’re just reading the books for the first time, though from how you talk about Tyrion risking consequences later I’m going to assume you are and not spoil you. But you’re absolutely right about the awfulness concerning Lollys and that is… not going to improve. Westeros is awful with disabilities - and so is fandom at times.
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Well, Eustace was an old man, it’s quite possible Gerold was yet another husband.
It’s definitely possible, I’m not disputing that. But like I said, I just find it surprising, given what was in Dunk & Egg. it was said that Gerold would never leave “the splendor of Casterly Rock and the pleasures of Lannisport” and it was my impression that he had a lot of influence at Tybolt’s side. I can’t see him moving to
hicksvilleColdmoat. And Rohanne Webber seemed very happy at Coldmoat. So ok, Eustace died and Rohanne Webber married Gerold Lannister but I’m left wondering how? and why? Money problems at Coldmoat? Again, I haven’t yet read the notes for myself though.
Imma phone my Rohanne expert here and see if she’ll weigh in. nobodysuspectsthebutterfly? Any thoughts?
Two options: it was Rohanne Webber; or it wasn’t, just another woman named Rohanne. Leaving the possible coincidence of names aside, reasons why Gerold’s second wife could have been Rohanne Webber:
- Per the history, Gerold became lord after Tybolt died young, so he wouldn’t have to leave CR and Lannisport, Rohanne would have come to him (and becoming the Lady of Casterly Rock is a huge upgrade)
- GRRM reusing the same uncommon name in the same generation is somewhat atypical
- Rohanne Webber becoming a this-generation Lannister ancestor makes her fit the pattern of Dunk encountering ancestors of characters from ASOIAF, and also leads to interesting parallels re Brienne and Jaime
- This also gives The Sworn Sword much more historical relevance, whereas before only THK and TMK were relevant to current events and TSS was just a little slice of life in Westeros
- Rohanne’s mysterious disappearance in 230 AL, which sounds like a potential future D&E story to me
- And yes, the possible Sansa parallels could be relevant here too, lord knows. :P
Regarding Coldmoat and the Webber inheritance, it’s possible Rohanne either didn’t conceive with Eustace Osgrey before he died, or that if she did have a child with him, it died, or some other complex situation. (A young Webber-Osgrey heir raised at Casterly Rock with his half-siblings? Rohanne remarrying after her heir was of age?) Note that in ASOIAF the only Webber we’ve encountered is a mercenary with the Windblown, and there are no Osgreys mentioned at all, so it’s possible both houses could have died out.
But truly, all we can do is wait for TWOIAF now and see if the likely Lannister family tree clears things up. Or hope Ran deigns to explain, maybe possibly even I don’t know.
I’ve always figured that if Rohanne did have a child then the Webber seen in ADWD is one of two options.
Either he took the name, because the real Webbers died out or he’s a bastard or something, or he’s from the secondary Webber line. I can’t recall if it was a cousin or an uncle, but the branch Rohanne would have lost Coldmoat to if she remained unmarried past her deadline.
And I think any Coldmoat heir of Rohanne’s body - and I’m sure she would have done her damndest to make sure there was one, as she didn’t want her relatives to take it away - has to be by Ser Eustace or another pre-Gerold husband, assuming she did marry him. This is because, if Coldmoat had passed to a Lannister son of Rohanne, we’d know. For one simple reason. While it’s not certain, I’d say it’s very likely (and as noted above, in keeping with the pattern of Dunk meeting ancestors of current ASOIAF characters) that Tytos and his younger brother Jason were Rohanne’s children. Jason, nine years younger than third son Tytos, almost certainly was. Jason is Joanna’s father. Jason, as the younger son, would probably get Coldmoat - technically both belong first to Tytos if he too is Rohanne’s but giving it over to Jason makes sense. It makes him a lord in his own right, even if a minor lord, even if he and his family live primarily at the Rock.
So Joanna would have been a Lannister (or perhaps a Webber, if name change was required, though they’re Lannisters so I can’t see a change) of Coldmoat. And we would know about it. Which can be seen either as evidence that Rohanne Webber had a non-Lannister heir prior to marrying Gerold, or that Lady Rohanne Lannister is a different Rohanne. Though we haven’t seen this name before or since elsewhere that I recall, except Ellyn Reyne’s daughter because Ellyn was trying to hurt Gerold with the name, and that is a direct link back to Rohanne Lannister possibly nee Webber.